Both of these shotguns are not very old at all. We’ve just decided to move to automatics.. the 20 gauge has the butt stock cut down to shorten length of pull for my son who is 11, he shoots that 20 gauge with no problem at all in the 12 gauge speaks for itself. This would be a perfect combo for a father and son as me and my son enjoyed them last dove season, but we are moving onto automatics perfect for someone who wants to get into dove hunting and not spend a ton of money and have a great shotgun (s). I figured in a couple of years when he gets big enough. I will just order another stock for $40.